We'll certainly be rooting for you, but I do have to point out a few key things.
First off, a big no-no is sending your own homemade demo out. I hate to say it, but these forums doesn't exactly straighten that detail out and a lot of people send out their yearly made demo to production companies. You have essentially 1 shot with these people and even if you send in another one that's professionally made, chances are, they'll remember you for that bad demo you sent them.
Second, you're kinda in a situation that can turn out REAL ugly real fast if you're not prepared. If the rules clearly stated that you needed previous professional experience, what on earth are you going to say to them when you show up with a resume with either nothing on it or full of amateur productions? The mentality is that if you can't follow basic auditioning rules, is it too much of a stretch to say that you can't follow basic direction? In the business, if you come off as amateur, it sticks with you for a LONG time.
Third, I'd try not to constantly send them your demo. If they've listened to it once, all you need to do is ask them if they got to your demo yet. Don't constantly spam them over the course of 3 years with your demo. There's a fine line between persistent and annoying and it's your job to understand which side of the line you want to be on.
Fourth, I can't personally confirm this myself, but from what I hear from all the acquaintances I have in the business, you have to be aware of the social workings in that particular business. Though it's not officially stated or acknowledged, there is an "Anime Mafia". Everyone knows everyone in the business. That means it's a tightly clenched fist with small openings for few people at a time to try and get in. You get in, you're good. You screw up with a bad audition, you don't get a job ever in that business. There's a difference between screwing up and a good audition that doesn't land you the role. If you're doing a good audition but someone just fits the character, they reconsider you back for another shot. You show up as a wide-eyed amateur, they will potentially black list you. What happens when you're black listed? You lose all chance of securing a role.
Do these black lists exist? Absolutely. Not just anime, but in film, theater, etc. You pull a major faux-pas and you get CANNED. Remember, it IS a people business, so word gets around quickly.
Fifth, casting agents are NOT looking for your "emotional range, accents, and voices". They're looking for how strong and fleshed out your characters are, they're looking for your branding and style, and they're looking for your choices. If you understand what I mean, excellent. If you have no clue what I mean, you're in serious trouble at the moment.
My advice? Get some actual training, get some professional experience, get your demo made, and do NOT audition until you're ready. Is it expensive and grinding? Yes. But it's an investment. You're worth as much as you invest in yourself. And if time is money, you want to have people invest their time in you.
I hope this helps.
Again, good luck.
Uh, dude, you just agreed with me. You used the term "a lot" the same way I did. I don't LITERALLY mean a great number (100's) of people have their amateur demos try and come off as professional, I just mean there's a sizable number of people who do. It's a throw-away term.Not to say that a lot of people don't send out their amateur demos unfortunately
I think you misunderstand me. When I said "these forums don't straighten out the details", I meant that the advice isn't bleeding through to everyone. Out of common curtesy, I don't want to point names, but a safe case of this would be midnightmoonproductions, the very person who posted this thread.
Sure, we can have a census of a lot of things, but when push comes to shove, people try and cut corners to save money. They don't want to spend the $600 - $800 per recorded minute. Instead, they think that if they could just have the demo SOUND professional by watching enough anime, doing enough fandubs, and acquiring experience that way (as they just want to do anime and video games), that they could pull it off. Professionals of all levels agree that that's one step, no matter what, cannot have corners cut. All I have to do is point at sites like voices.com, voices123.com, and heck, even newgrounds to show examples of how people take their amateur homemade demos and try to bring them off as professional demos; some, sadly, who are here from the VAA.
And YES, I have been here long enough to say that about the forums. Don't judge me by my post count or "joined" date. That's a bit shortsighted.
Seriously, though, can ya at least call the advice I give something not so baseline as 'decent'? ('Good', 'exceptional', 'sound' all work. But then again, it's hardly a point to get all worked up about )
Professionals agree that you need to work your ass off to get good and make a good demo, yeah, and so do we. We have quite a few members here that get paid for their work, and a few that have become very well known, and that's simply through practicing, luck, practicing, determination, and practicing. This site is made for practicing. When members come here expecting to make it big by doing nothing, the respected members of these forums set them straight. I see it happen almost bi-weekly. Someone drops in, asks what they need to be a voice actor, and within minutes, several members post about the realities of the world we live in and how hard it can and will be to do professional work consistently. That's how this forum works. I'm not misunderstanding you, you're misunderstanding the boards. We're a community of people who are here to have fun, hone our skills, and if we're one of the few who plan to go professional, learn what it actually takes to do so.
Oh yeah, and that last part was irrelevant. Don't pick fights, either.
And even if it were the case, ANYONE would rather just do it themselves or get someone who can produce a professional quality demo for a fraction of the price, or even free, at that point, it's not about professionalism, it's about saving yourself the hassle of having to cough up 600-800 bucks for a business that's already stressful enough to even make that much.
And to agree with Jordan, some people who really do work hard on making demos with everything they can are gonna take offense, so watch what you say next time, ok? ok.
And no one tries to see who got their pockets stuffed with cash, but guess what, they DO see if you took the time to suck it up and get the necessary training. On the note of assumptions, you have your pockets stuffed with cash and they'll think you're pretty succesful talent. They're certainly looking for talent, but also professionalism. This IS a profession, and a profession is a business, which require investments. (Full circle)
AWWW, do you get a boo-boo? D: I'm not here to kiss anyone's behind. If you're seriously making your own demo you're either a very rare exception to the rule, or you're doing it wrong. Want proof?
Here: Click this link
Watch it Zer0. You're completely undermining the knowledge the collective consciousness that is the Voice Acting Alliance has passionately been gathering for years and years. Take a step back and consider that maybe the people here make the claims they make for a reason. I know you can find articles on the internet that tell you what makes a good reel; I can probably find an article that suggests mailing a severed horse head to a lady you're interested in as a show of good faith.
On topic, the conversation on the first page pretty much clears up a lot of questions I've seen people have, so...thar she blows.
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