God Hates Fags...

[Clintykins]

My friend recently pointed out to me that there's a website www.godhatesfags.com and was enraged by it. He started spouting off about how he's going to try and get the site taken down. NOW, my question is, do you think if a website is that offensive, that it should be abolished from the internet? Or do you believe freedom of speech applies to online resources?

Personally, I'm torn. On one hand, I can't believe anyone would write that shit. They even have a "memorial" of a homosexual guy that was killed, and shows a picture of him with fire around him. That's just unbelievably fucked up. It also has an article on the Tsunami and how people deserved to die because they're "child rapists"? I don't know, I didn't read the whole article. I got sick and closed it after skimming through it. On the other hand, freedom of speech *should* apply to the internet, in my opinion. People should be able to write whatever they feel like, even if it offends them. One thing I don't understand is how the Banzai Kitten website was forced to be taken down, yet the God Hates Fags site is still up.

Thoughts 'n opinions?

[Swift]

That is absolutely disgusting. It really makes you wonder what kind of people there really are in the world.

I, too, believe that there should be freedom of speech applied to the internet.. but what's the turning point? Obviously there is all sorts of porn on the internet, which many people would find much much more offensive than the "God hates Fags" website, but it's still there, and contributes to much of the internet's revenue. Different people find different things offensive, so I don't know what could be done about it.

Freedom of speech, yes. I write enough in my Livejournal to want that. But maybe there should be some regulations? Of course, then they'd get rid of all the anti-Bush website, all of the websites that say anything against the declaration, ect. It could end up very messy.

Of course, if the US governement has anything to do with it, messy is unavoidable.

[Mindychan]

For some bizarre reason, people tend to be more emotional about animals than humans.

Scenario:
You see a human getting run over by a truck--- well they should have moved! But if you see a kitten.... awww, the poor thing didn't know! It's even come to the point where children getting hurt or killed isn't such a big thing to most people. =\

That site reminds me of the preachers around this area--- full of random verses and hogwash. Almost ALL of those preachers are very rude and are committing some form of huge sin in their own lives. Most of the time projects, like that site, are a means of pointing the finger and shifting the blame onto someone else.

While a site like that should not exist, it does, and while you can certainly get it shut down, there are others who will continue. Our best bet is to simply ignore and not spread this link around. *hug*

[Matt Cruea]

That site's been around for years.

Anyway, due to the Millenium Copywrite Act and other such internet-related bills and acts, as long as you are not planning anything malicious or illegal, then your site is perfectly fine. Hatred is not illegal.

[Taryn]

Freedom of speech wouldn't even be an issue unless it was about accepting things you don't agree with. It's all about taking the good with the bad, no matter how screwed up the bad is.

[Tom]

Like Matt said, that site has been around for years and years. I'm always amused when someone mentions it after a period of obscurity; like bumping into an old pest from high-school years later, a devilish smile half-forming on my face.

I am certainly not a fan of the site, but trying to take it down, say, abolishing it, would be a contradiction of the things that make me hate it to begin with.

Besides, a lot of the garbage touted on that site is so radical that it's hardly a threat in the end.

Tom

[lirifox]

That's pretty effed up, man. But apparently people support this, when you look at the pictures.

Let them say what they want, and let the rest of us spit upon them, flame them, or ignore them.

[topleka]

Oy. And I wonder why people give me dirty looks when I say I'm a Christian. Sheesh. I guess it's free speech. After all, there are plenty of religion-hate sites and although I don't agree with them, the people who run them have the right to disagree with me.

[Velvy]

Even if that site is owned by a Mormon mom and her four daughters (apparantly, according to a Howard Stern tv special with gay men versus the owners of Godhatesfags.com, and Stern is rather well known for being entirely straight-up), the site began by spouting controversy, was successful and it wants to continue to churn controversy. You get all riled up, send hate mail to them, they reply with some exaggerated Biblical horse shit, a mail war begins, and it ends whenever you decide to throw in the towel. That site is pretty much beating a dead horse. I mean, shit, no one likes that site, but it gets hits. The only thing that could stop that site is if the Mormon church itself turns its nose up at it, in which case the site wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Mreh, just ignore it. The owners were repulsive-looking anyways.

[shadowsvoice]

Wow, the people who made that site have way too much free time ontheir hands. As stated before people can say what they want to under the first amendment. If it really offends ya go to someone with authority and try to have them take it down.

[Autumn]

I wonder what makes them say God hates anyone and still call themselves Christians... But again with the freedom of speech thing. But why should they even care if you're gay or not? It doesn't affect them in anyway. Do they get offended if they see two guys/girls walking down the street holding hands? I just don't understand. :cry:

[Leon]

I could tell them from their very own Bibles how wrong they are for this, but I wouldn't even bother as I don't think that just spouting Bible verses is any sort of resolution. I find this site to be absolutely overflowing with nonsense and hatred, but if this is their method of gaining converts, then I think somoene needs to re-evaluate.

[Kei]

This makes me sick... I don't know why, but it does...

[Danae]

In Russia, dead horse beats YOU.

[Cassie]

That site is awful. I went there once out of curiousity and my eyes are still burning from the stupidity of it. It gives Christians a bad name and incites hatred and violence.

On the otherhand, it lead to a great parody site:

www.Godhatesfigs.com

[Lucien]

Love the parody site XD.

[steel_angel]

Hated the first loved the second.

[Tali]

I love godhatesfigs. Thanks for that link Cassie!

[Henageshi]

That site is awful. I went there once out of curiousity and my eyes are still burning from the stupidity of it. It gives Christians a bad name and incites hatred and violence.


It does give Christians a bad name. It's so awful. And I browsed through it reading all of their verses to match their hatred statements and none of them are true. Yes, it does say in the Bible that homosexuality is wrong, but God doesn't hate those who are homosexual. Another statement that caught my eye was "Jesus died for only those who believe in him" which is wrong too. He died for ALL of mankind: black, white, gay, bi, straight, asian, american..etc. And what ticks me off even more is that they say "Warning: Gospel truth ahead." Truth? None of that is truth. NONE. All the scriptures are in the Bible but their judgements of them are completly off.

I hate when people do this. They take scripture and they twist around it's meaning, making the Bible seem completly bashing which it's not bashing at all. I would personally like to send these people an email and tell them that they're intentions on this subject are wrong and crazy.

As for the question from the beginning, I do believe that you should have freedom of speech as well as the interent. However, if you're gonna make a speech, make an educated one.

[kt_rocks]

That site is awful. I went there once out of curiousity and my eyes are still burning from the stupidity of it. It gives Christians a bad name and incites hatred and violence.


It does give Christians a bad name. It's so awful. And I browsed through it reading all of their verses to match their hatred statements and none of them are true. Yes, it does say in the Bible that homosexuality is wrong, but God doesn't hate those who are homosexual. Another statement that caught my eye was "Jesus died for only those who believe in him" which is wrong too. He died for ALL of mankind: black, white, gay, bi, straight, asian, american..etc. And what ticks me off even more is that they say "Warning: Gospel truth ahead." Truth? None of that is truth. NONE. All the scriptures are in the Bible but their judgements of them are completly off.

I hate when people do this. They take scripture and they twist around it's meaning, making the Bible seem completly bashing which it's not bashing at all. I would personally like to send these people an email and tell them that they're intentions on this subject are wrong and crazy.

As for the question from the beginning, I do believe that you should have freedom of speech as well as the interent. However, if you're gonna make a speech, make an educated one.

I agree! I hate that site... it's so mean! Even little kids were holding up those wretched signs! -.-

[GForce]

*Sigh*

As much as I disagree with the site's content, taking any actions towards getting it removd from the internet is FAR from a possible solution. I think Voltair said it the best in his quote "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

You see (and this is just my opinion thank you very much) the freedom that we enjoy here in America is really wonderful. We are allowed to voice whatever opinions we have in the darkest recesses in our mind without fear of being prosecuted by the governemtn just for having conflicting ideas. For us to truly say that we live in a free society we have to protect the opions that we disagree with also. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Anybody can say they protect freedom of speech if everyone in that very society voiced the same opinions. However, when we allow those whoes ideas to conflict with ours live among us if we indeed value this right. I'm not saying that stuff like that website is good, far from it. Bigotry like that makes me sick and makes me wonder why these people choose to remain so ignorant in this day and age. However, they have every right to be here as you and me. The only thing we can do here is look at the site (provided that you can stomache such content) and move on.

[Aeris_angel_21]

Those people are racists. I'm doing a report on Indonesia at school. That type of stuff makes me sick. Acually it gives Baptists a bad name. But that is just wring about the tombstones. Just because they are guy doesn't mean they can't rest in peace. Our pastor knew a Christian who was gay. Making that website is acually breaking a commandment "Love your neighbors"

[MetalMan5000]

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[Little_Phoenix]

I think Voltair said it the best in his quote "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Wasn't that just on "Family Guy"?
You know, I don't think it gives Christians a bad name bcs. these people are not Christians. Christians don't just pick out the bits and sentences from the Bible they need to "prove" their points. They take the whole message of the book into consideration. Anyone who doesn't do that isn't a Christian.
These people are just sad, needy people seeking validation for their beliefs. They didn't get validation in their own communities, so they went online to find a bigger audience.
Really, the only thing you can do about these types of people is ignore them. When the media burst out about that site a few years ago, don't you think they loved getting all that attention? It just made more people aware of their site. Any publicity is good publicity, and they're counting on this. So, don't humor them. Ignore them, and maybe they'll get the hint that the reason they're not finding validation for their beliefs is bcs. their beliefs are narrow-minded or skewed. :)

[Matt Cruea]

I think Voltair said it the best in his quote "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Wasn't that just on "Family Guy"?

http://www.mattcruea.com/greatlakes/slashdot.gif

[Justin Parr]

I can't reach the site, it's restricted. But from what I've gathered, it's a bunch of guys who are out to give christians a bad name.

[Mad Hatter]

i don't like god, he smells like old person 0.o

[renren_chan]

i don't like god, he smells like old person 0.o mad hatter, you make me giggle lol.
As in regards to the site, it is wrong awful. Anyone with that much hate for people that are gay, lesbian or bi are just, well. Pathetic. But although I say that, there are probably about a 1000 more sites somewhere that are even worse. People have right to free speech. Of course they do. And on the internet, I don't think theres a limit to the amount of abuse that we can put upon people without being direct.
I mean... Some people want to ban Anime sites etc, because they see that as wrong. Everyone has there own opinions, and depending on the individual only they can state whether its right or wrong...*sigh*... But I did just read some of the reports on that site andit is ****ing sick. I have no problem with the christian faith, and actually half of my family are Catholic, but these people have got the WRONG idea compleatly. *shakes head* Its compleatly wrong. :( :cry: :cry: :(

[Tom]

A happy pony dies every time you give this site the time of day. That's a sad thing. :(

Tom

[mjskywalker2002]

On the other hand, godhatesfigs is not that much different a site from that which msut not be named. Similar way of going about things. Of course, no matter how funny it is godhatesfigs is at elast not to be taken seriously.

Seriously. As awful as that which shall not be named is, it's scary to think that people might actually take it seriously. And we say TV violence is destorying our children's mind

*feels sort of sick*

I would like to point out that a lot of the hits are probably from people who go to see how bad it actually is. Probably go away requiring use of the porcelin goddess.

[ClymAngus]

I love the way it's structured like a porn site.

It gets a bit provocative on the first page then gives you a link at the bottom of the page which sends you to the full frontal, deep southern fat fried, inbred bigotry. Mmmm I'll just go tune my Banjo whilst I'm filling in my application for the national rifle association. Yehawwww!

Yawn... :roll:

[Cordelia LeFay]

Wait, so the Banzai kitten site had to be taken down, but this site hasn't?

?????

I'm all for free speech--good or bad--but how did that happen?

I guess the difference is actually stuffing dead cats in bottles versus talking about wanting to stuff dead "fags" into bottles but still......

[Matt Alan]

XD Hey! I guess something did come out of reviving this thread. Cordelia posted!

[Cordelia LeFay]

I've missed you too! *tear*

[Matt Alan]

I've missed you too! *tear*

T-T! *cling* Its been too long! Let us carry this reunion to IM! >D!

[Cefaclor]

I've missed you too! *tear*

T-T! *cling* Its been too long! Let us carry this reunion to IM! >D!

XD lol, Im so sorry for laughing, its just so funny in some dramatic way. Its like a dramatic black and white movie, opera playing in the background and the go to... IM lol. XD

Anyway, I guess its true, freedom of speech is important. Probably ppl should make a site to counter that site and the lack of intelligence that is involved in its stupidity

[ClymAngus]

Wait, so the Banzai kitten site had to be taken down, but this site hasn't?

?????

I'm all for free speech--good or bad--but how did that happen?

I guess the difference is actually stuffing dead cats in bottles versus talking about wanting to stuff dead "fags" into bottles but still......

Maybe if someone started a banzai kitten religion, then it couldn't be taken down.

And lo their came unto the huddled masses the sacred kitten of banzai. All hail Banzai kitten, kitten above all kittens. Hail and give glory unto it, for that we might learn it's mighty works, Amen......

[McCorvic Sucks]

I pray that you guys are actually aware that bonasi kitty is a joke site. Right? Oh dear lord please tell me you know.

I use to think EVERYONE knew...but then when one of my animal activist friends went on a rant and wanted me to sign a "Stop Bonsai Kitty" petition I died a little inside.

And what do you mean it's been taken down? It's right here (http://www.bonsaikitten.com/).

[ClymAngus]

I pray that you guys are actually aware that bonasi kitty is a joke site. Right? Oh dear lord please tell me you know.

I use to think EVERYONE knew...but then when one of my animal activist friends went on a rant and wanted me to sign a "Stop Bonsai Kitty" petition I died a little inside.

And what do you mean it's been taken down? It's right here (http://www.bonsaikitten.com/).

Real or not it doesn't matter, these things must be taken on faith to be so. For we trust in the works of kitty and it's return from the great bottle in the sky. Fear bonzai kitty and give prase unto it. :)

[teggy16]

OMG..... In the town Aeris and I used to live in, there was a protest because of that :baddy: -ing Fred Phelps! They protested against the 'sodomite whorehouses': the churches that she and I used to go to! If you look on the website that was first listed, one of the churches on the picket schedule was Lutheran Church of Reedemer. Also I found out that the mayor of our former city is homosexual. I applaud his open-ness. But on to the point. I understand he doesn't have the same opinion about homosexuality, but no one has the :baddy: -ing right to :baddy: -ng insult churches!! I don't insult Satanic people, even if I think it's totally wrong! Anyways, why is it his business, even anyone's business, what goes on underneath the sheets behind someone's closed curtains? Even in public, it's not like they are catching 'gay-ness' from people through the air! Men and men or women and women have just as much of a right to swap spit as anyone else. It should be no one else's problem. It does not affect them personally, because they aren't that way!!! And if Bush cannot agree with me, he can kiss my @$$!!!!! Thank you....

And here's a link to the article of what happened in Aeris's and my hometown.

Article! Click Here! (http://www.pressrepublican.com/newsfront.htm)

Second article! (http://www.pressrepublican.com/Archive/2005/07_2005/070320051.htm)

[McCorvic Sucks]

but no one has the :baddy: -ing right to :baddy: -ng insult churches!!

Actually, they do. That whole freedom of speech thing, ya know? I insult churches on a daily basis, and I have every right to do so.

Anyways, I read an article the other day about this church going to protest the funerals of soldiers whom died in Iraq because "God hates America" or something. I remember when they came to UNC a few years back they were marching with signs that read "Thank God for 9/11" and such.

Just wish I could really believe there is a difference between these christians and any other christian group.

[ClymAngus]

but no one has the :baddy: -ing right to :baddy: -ng insult churches!!

Actually, they do. That whole freedom of speech thing, ya know? I insult churches on a daily basis, and I have every right to do so.

Anyways, I read an article the other day about this church going to protest the funerals of soldiers whom died in Iraq because "God hates America" or something. I remember when they came to UNC a few years back they were marching with signs that read "Thank God for 9/11" and such.

Just wish I could really believe there is a difference between these christians and any other christian group.

Now that's a bit of a narrow statement. It's not just religous groups who say outlandish things just to get noticed, and one group invariably never speaks for all. Though you have the right to insult churches, I also have the right to call you completely insane for swearing at buildings. :)

Rights, their something of a double edged sword. They don't further an argument or a discussion, assertain Why or help understanding.

[Jing]

I have never seen this article... ever.

I recommened making a website called godhatesstraights.com

Oh, and happy Independence Day...

[McCorvic Sucks]

Rights, their something of a double edged sword. They don't further an argument or a discussion, assertain Why or help understanding.

What? Yea they do. Example: Their right to insult everything (almost like the Maddox of religion) has lead to this thread and many many many debates. And it's not like they're running around just saying "You are a stupid head!" They really do do their best to find "evidence" from the bible and what not. When they came to my college that's what they did, had a "debate' with some other church or something.

[Merr]

I recommened making a website called godhatesstraights.com

Well there's already a God Hates Shrimp site (http://www.godhatesshrimp.com). :D

[Jing]

I recommened making a website called godhatesstraights.com

Well there's already a God Hates Shrimp site (http://www.godhatesshrimp.com). :D

XD

[teggy16]

Actually, they do. That whole freedom of speech thing, ya know? I insult churches on a daily basis, and I have every right to do so.

Anyways, I read an article the other day about this church going to protest the funerals of soldiers whom died in Iraq because "God hates America" or something. I remember when they came to UNC a few years back they were marching with signs that read "Thank God for 9/11" and such.

Just wish I could really believe there is a difference between these christians and any other christian group.


I'm sorry... It's just that I never insult athiests (my best friend is one), and I don't insult Satanic people (I had a friend that was one but we got in an arguement and I still respect her), and with that said, I wish that other people wouldn't do it either, because I just don't appreciate hearing my favorite church being called a "sodomite whorehouse"... I wish people would respect other people and just get along, but almost everyone is too immature, adults, elderly people, and most especially adolescents! Even I can be immature! But when I get mad at people, or I think that what they're doing is wrong, I don't go and picket at their house, expecting them to change their ways. It just makes me sick to see how much the Earth is breaking down, and anyways, about the gay topic being wrong because of the Bible:
(WARNING- Non-Christians probably won't be interested in this next part unless you're interested in Christian theology.)

I know it says that for a male and a male to sleep together in the Old Testament is wrong, but have you ever thought that when Jesus came, some of those rules were changed? If we followed every rule that's still in the Old Testament, we wouldn't have ham sandwiches, or horse liver (not that I eat that anyways....) Also, God told us to give love unconditionally, no matter whether they're straight or not, different races, or anything like that. He gave people the right to chose whether they wanted to be Christian or not (IMO) and NO ONE should have to be judged for being in love with someone.

Love is not something that should ever be judged. There are too many people these days that think that interracial marriages are wrong, and they don't have a plausible reason. Also, regarding the gay issue, what is the non-Christian excuse for gayness being wrong... besides pride?

I just needed to let that out, I don't want to get into an argument. But if anyone can answer some of my questions, or they have the same or different opinion (keep it friendly), please let me know. I'd like to know if anyone has the same opinion as me...

[ClymAngus]

Rights, their something of a double edged sword. They don't further an argument or a discussion, assertain Why or help understanding.

What? Yea they do. Example: Their right to insult everything (almost like the Maddox of religion) has lead to this thread and many many many debates. And it's not like they're running around just saying "You are a stupid head!" They really do do their best to find "evidence" from the bible and what not. When they came to my college that's what they did, had a "debate' with some other church or something.

Rights are used as a justification. A reason in itself. In the wrong place excersing certain rights can get you killed. Funnily enough those doing the killing will be excersing their rights whilst their doing it! Rightousness gets us no where, for right is an absolute wholely dependant on point of view. You should be able to express your opinion, true. Without fear of retrebution, but I'm unsure about being able to advertise your opinion.

After all the National Front or the KKK have an opinion, a fairly strong one as I remember. Should they under the cover of rights be able to advertise their opinion? I'd be interested in your thoughts.

[McCorvic Sucks]

Rights, their something of a double edged sword. They don't further an argument or a discussion, assertain Why or help understanding.

What? Yea they do. Example: Their right to insult everything (almost like the Maddox of religion) has lead to this thread and many many many debates. And it's not like they're running around just saying "You are a stupid head!" They really do do their best to find "evidence" from the bible and what not. When they came to my college that's what they did, had a "debate' with some other church or something.

Rights are used as a justification. A reason in itself. In the wrong place excersing certain rights can get you killed. Funnily enough those doing the killing will be excersing their rights whilst their doing it! Rightousness gets us no where, for right is an absolute wholely dependant on point of view. You should be able to express your opinion, true. Without fear of retrebution, but I'm unsure about being able to advertise your opinion.

After all the National Front or the KKK have an opinion, a fairly strong one as I remember. Should they under the cover of rights be able to advertise their opinion? I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Of course they should. As long as their not directly interferring with someone elses rights (i.e. killing people, burning down people's homes) they can say/do anything they want. Those whacky chrisitans have every right to have a web site called "God Hates Fags" no matter how horribly wrong and stupid it may be (and I just expressed my opinion on the website, oh noez!) Ifwould be wrong to forced the website to close without any real proof that it was activily harming someone.

[ClymAngus]

Ahh, but there's the rub. In advertising a doctorine of hate they infringe that persons "rights" not to have to live in fear. Which in return contradicts their "right" of free speech.

Also when we're talking rights are we talking just Bill of Rights or International court of human rights?

[McCorvic Sucks]

Basic human rights. And the difference is that these groups aren't saying, for the most part, that we are going to go murder you in your home tonight! Once they actually THREATEN to HURT someone they're in trouble. But most these group say that they hate (insert group here) because of (stupid reason) and their (imaginary diety) will one day punish them.

I live in fear of the whacky christian groups and their attempts to destory my basic rights but, at this point in time, they are still within their rights to be stupid and crazy.

And I'm talking about RIGHTS. Human rights across the globe buuuuddy.

[Jiffy]

People who are bent on how much "God hates fags" are dilusional. The Bible teaches that all sins are equal in the site of God, and if you belive in the Bible then you belive that. So people should stop focusing on what other people do wrong, and realize that they themselves are also doing things that are taught against in the Bible.

But even if a site is stupid, you cant demand it to be taken off the internet, because they have as much of a right to have the site up, as you do to want it to be taken down. If you know what I mean.

[Zangya]

THAT SITE IS HORRIBLE!! My friend Adam is gay but at least he's nice -_- they have no right to make something like that!! :cry:

[teggy16]

People who are bent on how much "God hates fags" are dilusional. The Bible teaches that all sins are equal in the site of God, and if you belive in the Bible then you belive that. So people should stop focusing on what other people do wrong, and realize that they themselves are also doing things that are taught against in the Bible.

But even if a site is stupid, you cant demand it to be taken off the internet, because they have as much of a right to have the site up, as you do to want it to be taken down. If you know what I mean.

. . . You have no right to tell me what I do and don't believe. I AM A CHRISTIAN, I BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE, AND I BELIEVE IN UNCONDITIONAL LOVE! Unconditional love means a deep love that means something. Love shouldn't be ruined just because some people think that it's gross or not right. I believe incest is wrong, but as long as two people aren't related, it shouldn't matter what other people think. One thing, I know they have a right to have it up and I didn't tell them to take it down, although that would be nice. I am a human, Jiffy. I sin. I am not innocent. I am aware of that and I am not trying to sound like an angel. I am trying to get a point across that means something. Have you ever thought that maybe Jesus loves people unconditionally, as long as they believe in him? Or do you think that he just shuns gay believers to Hell? Huh? I was trying to get my point across without getting into an argument, but with this comment:


....if you belive in the Bible then you belive that.

You're just asking for an argument. Don't assume things, please. I'd really appreciate it. Also, I'd like you to learn that it would be nice to keep arguments here friendly and to a minimum. Thank you.


THAT SITE IS HORRIBLE!! My friend Adam is gay but at least he's nice -_- they have no right to make something like that!! :cry:

At least they're not doing anything violent. But it doesn't make it right still. You're not alone anyways. I have a couple of bi friends and a gay friend. ^_^

[Matt Alan]

People who are bent on how much "God hates fags" are dilusional. The Bible teaches that all sins are equal in the site of God, and if you belive in the Bible then you belive that. So people should stop focusing on what other people do wrong, and realize that they themselves are also doing things that are taught against in the Bible.

But even if a site is stupid, you cant demand it to be taken off the internet, because they have as much of a right to have the site up, as you do to want it to be taken down. If you know what I mean.

. . . You have no right to tell me what I do and don't believe. I AM A CHRISTIAN, I BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE, AND I BELIEVE IN UNCONDITIONAL LOVE! Unconditional love means a deep love that means something. Love shouldn't be ruined just because some people think that it's gross or not right. I believe incest is wrong, but as long as two people aren't related, it shouldn't matter what other people think. One thing, I know they have a right to have it up and I didn't tell them to take it down, although that would be nice. I am a human, Jiffy. I sin. I am not innocent. I am aware of that and I am not trying to sound like an angel. I am trying to get a point across that means something. Have you ever thought that maybe Jesus loves people unconditionally, as long as they believe in him? Or do you think that he just shuns gay believers to Hell? Huh? I was trying to get my point across without getting into an argument, but with this comment:


....if you belive in the Bible then you belive that.

You're just asking for an argument. Don't assume things, please. I'd really appreciate it. Also, I'd like you to learn that it would be nice to keep arguments here friendly and to a minimum. Thank you.I think you misinterpreted what he's saying.

People who are bent on how much "God hates fags" are dilusional. The Bible teaches that all sins are equal in the site of God, and if you belive in the Bible then you belive that.
By this, he means that those who are campaigning against one thing that might be considered wrong in the bible, shouldn't.. because that, too, is against the teachings in the bible. That it's not OUR Place to judge people and that we should love everyone as equals. He says that if you believe in God, you know that all sins are equal in the eyes of God, and whether you're gay, or you lie or you kill someone.. it's all equal in the eyes of God and that if you are a believer in the bible, you know that all sins are equal in His eyes.

This, is then further made noted by this:
So people should stop focusing on what other people do wrong, and realize that they themselves are also doing things that are taught against in the Bible. People DO need to stop focusing on what other people might or might not do wrong, because that, too, is wrong and isn't fair. It's simply not our place.

This entire passage was defending Christians as well as others.. whether are gay, or believe another religion or are straight or whatever. The point, Teggy, was not to alienate Christians [Or anyone else, for that matter], it was to make the point that people, especially those who are followers of Christ, should not be doing things like this, as they are against the teachings that they have accepted into their heart.

[ClymAngus]

Man! You get onto the topic of faith or politics on this board and suddenly it's a flame war.
Suddenly everthing gets really personal.

Getting back to my own discussion.....
Inuyashafan10, so your solution is more cure than prevention then? Interesting.

[Jiffy]

People who are bent on how much "God hates fags" are dilusional. The Bible teaches that all sins are equal in the site of God, and if you belive in the Bible then you belive that. So people should stop focusing on what other people do wrong, and realize that they themselves are also doing things that are taught against in the Bible.

But even if a site is stupid, you cant demand it to be taken off the internet, because they have as much of a right to have the site up, as you do to want it to be taken down. If you know what I mean.

. . . You have no right to tell me what I do and don't believe. I AM A CHRISTIAN, I BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE, AND I BELIEVE IN UNCONDITIONAL LOVE! Unconditional love means a deep love that means something. Love shouldn't be ruined just because some people think that it's gross or not right. I believe incest is wrong, but as long as two people aren't related, it shouldn't matter what other people think. One thing, I know they have a right to have it up and I didn't tell them to take it down, although that would be nice. I am a human, Jiffy. I sin. I am not innocent. I am aware of that and I am not trying to sound like an angel. I am trying to get a point across that means something. Have you ever thought that maybe Jesus loves people unconditionally, as long as they believe in him? Or do you think that he just shuns gay believers to Hell? Huh? I was trying to get my point across without getting into an argument, but with this comment:


....if you belive in the Bible then you belive that.

You're just asking for an argument. Don't assume things, please. I'd really appreciate it. Also, I'd like you to learn that it would be nice to keep arguments here friendly and to a minimum. Thank you.




I think you misinterpreted what he's saying.
Yes I belive you didnt quite understand what I meant, sorry if it wasnt clear.

Thanks for clearing it up for me Matt. :D

[teggy16]

. . . Sorry for being such a :baddy: . I tend to get bent out of shape easy or misunderstand things and I was in a bad mood, that's all. I hope you can forgive me. Let's start over, maybe we can be friends ^_^ (I'm not expecting you to immediately forgive me but I hope you can do it over time.)

[Jiffy]

. . . Sorry for being such a :baddy: . I tend to get bent out of shape easy or misunderstand things and I was in a bad mood, that's all. I hope you can forgive me. Let's start over, maybe we can be friends ^_^ (I'm not expecting you to immediately forgive me but I hope you can do it over time.)
Dont worry I can forgive you, cause Im cool like that. 8) :D

[McCorvic Sucks]

Inuyashafan10, so your solution is more cure than prevention then? Interesting.

What? Cure what? Prevent what? We need to prevent people from thinking different ways?

[ClymAngus]

Once they actually THREATEN to HURT someone they're in trouble.

That would be cure not prevention. :)

[Tom]

But how are you supposed to "prevent" one person from hurting someone else? Whether it's possible or not, censorship of thoughts and opinion is NOT a method of prevention for physical violence. Free speech is not the same thing as hate violence.

[ClymAngus]

But how are you supposed to "prevent" one person from hurting someone else? Whether it's possible or not, censorship of thoughts and opinion is NOT a method of prevention for physical violence. Free speech is not the same thing as hate violence.

Hey, I was just looking for clarification on his point of view. I'm not saying that eather is better. One could push for better education, so that more people understand that we share this rock and we really need to be more considerate of our fellow man. That's a bit long term for most governments. I feel that more people have become more selfish in recent years. Again my personal belief. This could cause more people to clain rights when what they need is a little more understanding of other people.

[La Sailor Luna]

That site's been around for years.

Anyway, due to the Millenium Copywrite Act and other such internet-related bills and acts, as long as you are not planning anything malicious or illegal, then your site is perfectly fine. Hatred is not illegal.

Yes, but it's very ignorant noone should hate anyone, especially god. And god doesn't hate homosexuals. I have a friend that's gay and even though the site won't come up for me for some reason, the name of the site says enough. That's dispicable and rude and just ignorant and stupid. I say shut that shit down pronto!!!!

And no, I'm not gay, strictly dickly babe.

[Matt Cruea]

I want a hack that makes it so 15 year olds can't talk about how they love the cock.

[ClymAngus]

I want a hack that makes it so 15 year olds can't talk about how they love the cock.

Their still working on the beta. Although it rerouts verbal.txt files before they reach mouth.exe there are still problems terminating all the self spawning camp_as_a_row_of_pink_tents.exe files that persist in the ram cashe. Their looking in the closet folder of the win.ini file but no luck yet.

:)

[TuxedoMirage]

I hadnt seen this thread till today and as soon as I saw the subject line (being gay myself) i was enraged. But then I realized that this wasnt a hate thread and I calmed down a bit. :oops:

I refuse to click that link though. It will only get my blood pressure rising and its high enough already. 8)

[Matt Cruea]

I want a hack that makes it so 15 year olds can't talk about how they love the cock.

Their still working on the beta. Although it rerouts verbal.txt files before they reach mouth.exe there are still problems terminating all the self spawning camp_as_a_row_of_pink_tents.exe files that persist in the ram cashe. Their looking in the closet folder of the win.ini file but no luck yet.

:)

Let's just reformat humanity.

[McCorvic Sucks]

I want a hack that makes it so 15 year olds can't talk about how they love the cock.

Their still working on the beta. Although it rerouts verbal.txt files before they reach mouth.exe there are still problems terminating all the self spawning camp_as_a_row_of_pink_tents.exe files that persist in the ram cashe. Their looking in the closet folder of the win.ini file but no luck yet.

:)

Let's just reformat humanity.

Maybe a simple ctrl-alt-dlt would work?

[ClymAngus]

Well it's a brute force solution, you could end up wrecking the entire unit. We never had this sort of problem under gayLinux 6.9

Just open a shell window and type;

ls /net/homes/thecock | grep over18

Job done.

[McCorvic Sucks]

Did you just hax0rz all humanity?


That's pretty impressive.

[Matt Cruea]

I think there's a bug in your fix.

For some reason I can no longer say the word ****.

[Tony]

sed -e 's/cock/peepee/' -e 's/dick/weiner/' under18vocab.txt

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[ClymAngus]

sed -e 's/cock/peepee/' -e 's/dick/weiner/' under18vocab.txt

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Ok smarty pants, lets see you do that in perl.

[Tony]

Maybe a few years ago, but I'm rusty as all hell.

PHP is the new hotness. 8)

[ClymAngus]

Maybe a few years ago, but I'm rusty as all hell.
PHP is the new hotness. 8)

It's a great way to make html useful. :)
Now I realise that this has gotten a little off topic but considering the original topic isn't this a much nicer topic to be discussing? :D

[Tony]

It's a great way to make html useful. :)
Now I realise that this has gotten a little off topic but considering the original topic isn't this a much nicer topic to be discussing? :D

It's fun to be a nerd. Also, I live in San Francisco. If that site were true, I'd be living on a cinder.

[S.A.]

Aw come on. How could anybody hate anyone homosexual? And don't you think the term "fag" is a little harsh?

[Tony]

Aw come on. How could anybody hate anyone homosexual? And don't you think the term "fag" is a little harsh?

Read the website. The title is inflammatory for a reason. Also, have you tried? You'll find that it's just as easy to hate a homosexual person as it is to hate a heterosexual one. I'm an equal opportunity hater. :twisted:

[S.A.]

I had a point but I kinda forgot what it was. I'll get back to you...................................... someday..

[Jessica Adnee]

I think that freedom of speech is fine. I don't agree with the site... at all. I think that considering I'm a huge shonen-ai fan, if I hated gay people it might be a bit of an oximoron.

Anyway, freedom of speech is fine. I, personally, think it's a right.

However...

if this person were to act on these emotions and hurt someone, then that is illegal and wrong and should not be allowed. However, words are only sounds with meanings and can be easily ignored. Anything beyond words is wrong and should be abolished and stopped.

[La Sailor Luna]

I want a hack that makes it so 15 year olds can't talk about how they love the cock.

I don't love cock, I only said I wasn't gay. I'm a virgin smarty pants. :x

[ChrisDark]

It's time for Chris Dark Sez, with your host, Chris Dark!

"but no one has the images/smilies/soap2.gif -ing right to images/smilies/soap2.gif -ng insult churches!!"

I insult church every day. Why? Because all the cool kids do it. I also bash amerikkka and whine a lot. :(

Seriously, though, free speech does give me the right to insult anything. Except TamTu and Nikki. Those two will beat me up.

"And no, I'm not gay, strictly dickly babe."

A/S/L? :D

"I wonder what makes them say God hates anyone and still call themselves Christians."

I could love all people and still call myself a racist. Watch me do it, you jap! >:O I <3 you.

"www.godhatesfags.com"

The guy who made that site was my old apprentice. However, he has fallen from grace and can no longer be called a hater. He is now a bigot. :(

"You're just asking for an argument. Don't assume things, please. I'd really appreciate it. Also, I'd like you to learn that it would be nice to keep arguments here friendly and to a minimum. Thank you."

Even though I agree with you, but, for the fact of retaining my title of Original e-Gangsta`, I demand you stop slowing down the hate. We need more arguments! Mo` fights! MO` DRAMA!!

"I want a hack that makes it so 15 year olds can't talk about how they love the cock."

Hells no. Give me my lolikon! :D

And this has been Chris Dark Sez. Resume your fighting, puppets!

[sakurastar]

wow, American christians are scary....

[ClymAngus]

Even though I agree with you, but, for the fact of retaining my title of Original e-Gangsta`, I demand you stop slowing down the hate. We need more arguments! Mo` fights! MO` DRAMA!!

And this has been Chris Dark Sez. Resume your fighting, puppets!

I hear that newgrounds is good for drama these days. There's always the deviant art social supernova that's slowing down but is still a pretty show. This is an acting and producer forum, we don't do fights we just get catty and make nasty .mp3's about each other. :P

[ChrisDark]

I hear that newgrounds is good for drama these days. There's always the deviant art social supernova that's slowing down but is still a pretty show. This is an acting and producer forum, we don't do fights we just get catty and make nasty .mp3's about each other. :P

:'( Tears. Tears. You talk to me like I'm not used to this place. No love.

[Matt Alan]

:'( Tears. Tears. You talk to me like I'm not used to this place. No love.


Yeah, 6 months IS a long time compared to Clym. He's only been here like 5 years.

[ChrisDark]

Yeah, 6 months IS a long time compared to Clym. He's only been here like 5 years.

Indeed! >:O

[Nikki Wright]

Oh, god. I tried to be patient with this thread.. I really did.

I'm locking it now because we're beating a deadhorse, and now the topic has totally lost its purpose with all the "omg ur so mean 2 me" stuff.

Locked. e.e