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Azure
01-10-2007, 09:41 PM
This guide was written by Kitty (http://voiceactingalliance.com/board/member.php?u=2813). Let's all thank her :hug

This is something that I have spent some time pondering about for a good while. I see many productions that are posted, demo reels, songs, etc., where many VA’s say things like "whah i suk" or "i have no talentz i nevar getz castedz". I think that some of us need to learn to have a better attitude when it comes to our performances, whether it is voice acting, singing, performing musically, or something else along those lines. I have no real voice over experience, except a few school related things, but I have been performing for about my full life musically and chorally. So, I have discovered the right attitude you should have, because it will make a big change in your performances! Believe me, your attitude matters. Let's begin.

Topic 1: "I suck."

The most common thing I hear in many AVA's, despite if they actually give an amazing performance, is the lovely phrase "I suck". I think when we all start out, we think that, and we may even say it, but as we grow, we need to boost up our esteem. It really pains me to go into a thread, and see a really
well done performance by a cast, and then seeing a cast member or two downgrading themselves. To explain this, I give two options.


One: The person has no self-esteem whatsoever and they truly feel that they are not good at all. This is an easy thing to cure, so hang in there! We'll get to you in a moment.

Two: The person is fishing for compliments. This is one of the most annoying, frustrating, and overall stupid things that you can do. This is not the easiest thing to help, but I'll explain what you need to do to stop.


"Cure" for Problem 1: So, you have no self-esteem in yourself. But let me ask you this. Why do you think you were cast in a production, if you suck so
much? Or, if you sing, why did people say you were good? Do you think they are lying to you? Most likely, they aren't, so that has to mean something.
If a producer thinks that you are a bad VA, then why would they cast you in their production? It doesn't make sense. They must have liked your
performance, so cheer up! It is a hard thing, to suddenly be thrown out in front of people, performing musically, vocally, or in a different way. It kind of makes you feel that feeling of being naked in front of a crowd, am I right? After time, and when you discover that you do have talent, believe me, you will see that you really are amazing, if you just set your mind to it. Prove to us you are worth listening to, and prove you like what you're doing. Do that, and believe me, you'll be amazed at how better you will both feel and sound.

"Cure" for Problem 2:
Fishing for compliments both gets on people's nerves, and downgrades you in people's views on your character. A person who constantly says:
"oh i suk lol i nevar getz casted so lol" really says to me, " Oh, yes. Tell me I'm good. Tell me I deserve to be casted, because I think I'm good. So tell me I'm amazing." Can you see the difference from problem one? This problem is not one that I can offer a magical cure for. YOU have to get over yourself.

Topic 2: Attitude during VA Work
The biggest one of them all! Your attitude when you are recording, sending in auditions, lines, or singing is very important. I'll describe each of these (recording, sending in auditions/lines) in detail.

1. Recording: This is the start of everything. The dreaded recording stage. You're nervous, you think you're going to mess up, you know you'll never be able to get high or low enough an- Hey, relax. Take deep, relaxing breaths, and meditate for about five to ten minutes, if you think you can't do it. Then, repeat over and over again that you CAN do it, and you WILL do it. Trust me. It works. Attitude is everything.

2. Sending in Auditions/Lines: You know that when you send in lines in a production that you were cast/scouted in, that you must do your best. So
when recording for your finished lines, make sure to have the right mindset. You can do it, if you just think that you can. Believe in yourself. So, let's get down to auditioning. The main thing about auditioning is proving that you are capable to hold that role. You want that role? Then do all that you can to get it. Now, I'm not talking about bugging the producer until they block you. I'm saying that you, yourself, need to do all you can with your voice to get the role. Don't automatically think that you'll be able to do a voice within a second, and do it well.

Auditioning is a very big process, either professionally, or non-professionally. Either way, you're in the spotlight.
So, when auditioning, don't just think, "Oh, I won't use my full range or any REAL emotion. I'll just breeze through, and if I get cast, I'll make it perfect." WRONG. You aren't going to impress anyone with that frame of mind. This is the same way with singing. Just by going, "Oh, this song is pretty; I'll sing it, without really getting into the lyrics and all the emotional ties with the music, I'll just sing and I hope it turns out good. Yayz." will get you no where near the level of being good. That is just plain mediocre, and an extremely terrible attitude. Let's show some effort, shall we? To me, a person's auditions reflect how they would sound like if they were cast, so you wouldn't want to send in half-hearted auditions, would you?


Topic 3: Attitudes of Producers. Yes, they need a good attitude, too!
Producers have the most awesome attitudes to work with. But let's work with you now, shall we? (You thought you were going to get off easily, didn't you?)You, as a producer, need to understand that VAs aren't always free on time, and they have limits, because they are people too! Please don't request tasks that they cannot accomplish and you must be patient! Don't snap at a VA because they missed deadline by a day. Sometimes, like the real world, things happen. Be a nice, considerate producer, and you'll be a lot more successful.


Topic 4: Pep Talk.
Overall, you have to believe in yourself. As simple as that sounds, it does a world of difference. If you just have confidence in yourself, I guarantee you that you will learn to love what you do, and you'll sound so much better to others, because you'll have a real nice confidence in your voice. Just love what you're doing, and believe that you are good, because I'm sure that in someone's eyes, you are amazing. Just keep in mind that you need to be positive and never, ever give up. It sounds terribly sappy, but it's the truth. I wish you all the luck in the world, and I hope that I've helped a bit. Good luck, lovelies.

Morningstarfairy
01-10-2007, 09:58 PM
wow thats really helpful!

thankies Kitty for writing it! and you wrote it in a way even i can understand....now thats something (hehe i can't read to clearly..^ ^;) BUT i'm gonna take all that you wrote into deep thought and hope it makes me a better person!!! hehe!! :hug thankies hun!

Myokei-kun
01-10-2007, 10:19 PM
Two: The person is fishing for compliments. This is one of the most annoying, frustrating, and overall stupid things that you can do. This is not the easiest thing to help, but I'll explain what you need to do to stop.Yea, I've seen that a lot, though I'm not pointing out any names.

Nice guide Kitty! ^^

Margo
01-10-2007, 10:37 PM
*Gasp* *Claps for Kitty*

I agree with Morningstarfairy. Very helpful. *Nod nod* =D

Kitty
01-10-2007, 11:23 PM
Thank you very much. ^^;

Tregster
01-11-2007, 12:15 AM
Ooo good info. ^_^ Though, I'd like to add something.. but it might just pertain to me specifically. I find if I take a set of lines too seriously and really try hard on them, the pressure can actually make my lines not much fun at all to do. Thus, making my performance suffer. The key for me is to not take lines so seriously and have fun. That way you can loosen up and deliver a great performance out of yourself in the process.

Again.. could only pertain to me personally heh.

Lilium
01-11-2007, 12:16 AM
:) Excellently written, great addition to the forum. Thank you, Kitty!

x0Michellex0
01-11-2007, 12:42 AM
Thats really well written Kitty-san! ^_^ Its very helpful too. =] *wants to try some of them out.* :hug

Rave
05-27-2007, 05:21 PM
Well said* definitely-

Mat Growcott
06-06-2007, 08:25 PM
I could have wrote this, but i suck so i didn't (Get that one over and done with so nobody else has to)

Besides, people thinking they suck at something doesn't necicerily mean they have a low self esteem or anything of the sort. It is very easy, especially in a place as cliquey as the VAA, to feel underrated and, quite frankly, crap. It wasn't a year ago that i was talking to someone from here, and they were saying they sucked compared to *Insert name here*. I'd never heard of this person, so did a little research, heard their demo reel and suffice to say, the person i was talking to was a million times better. But since he was doing something so different from person B, and since all person B's friends were saying "WHOMG, You're amazing!"...well, yes. It misled him into thinking he was at fault. And the only way of "curing" that is for people to stop trying to spare their friends feelings, and that will never happen because we're all nice little bunnies...

That said, pretty good article i suppose, if a little pretentious. But we're all actors and show folk, so fun fun fun.

Steven Mane
06-06-2007, 08:45 PM
Another thing I'd like to add is the fact that we can't judge ourselves in voiceover quality, because a lot of us either hate the sound of our own voices or have the "legend in their own mind" syndrome. You would think with that first one, someone wouldn't even be on this board, but those are the ones who sit silently in the background, skulking in the dark, waiting for the opportunity that never comes. The second part, which I am a statistic, are the ones who think to themselves "I'm great!!!" and have really horrible demos, have no range, and are disliked by a majority of people. These are the people who will snap when their bubble bursts and go on a murderous rampage (or get banned from the forums they're on; either way, someone dies).

The only real cure for either of these problems are the advice and guidance of other people. It's everyone else who has to help everyone else. We are our own worst judges.

Kitty
06-06-2007, 08:56 PM
Wow, I wrote this a while ago, and I kind of forgot about it. However, to both Steven and Mat, I think the only thing I was really trying to do was give people a slight boost of confidence, just to maybe encourage people to think more highly of themselves.

And, I have to run to the studio now, so that's all I can say, or else I'll be late.

Haushinka
06-06-2007, 08:59 PM
I think it is safe to say that most of us are terrible judges of our own voice acting. :D

Morningstarfairy
06-06-2007, 09:10 PM
I think you succeeded Kitty (thats soooo not spelt right) it does make people feel better about themselves.
This is a nice idea, and its nice that Azure also thinks so....otherwise she wouldn't have posted it here.

True True this is a fun site, but this is a nice friendly guide that makes you feel better, so whats wrong with it? I think its fine here and deserves a place. so open your minds idiots >^ ^<

Steven Mane
06-06-2007, 09:20 PM
Wait a minute.... Kitty wrote this FIVE MONTHS AGO???!!! I blame Contributing Voice!!!

Ahem. But, seriously, it's a nifty little guide with great advice for confidence. All Mat and I were doing was simply adding on our own snippets of information that we have acquired through our stay on the VAA. Nothing wrong with that.

Morningstarfairy
06-06-2007, 09:25 PM
*sigh* can't i ever put forwards an opinion?!

i didn't say anything to do with that, i just know Kitty was a bit upset because of it.
but i'm not argueing and ruining this. As said this was written 5 months ago and a lot has changed so lets just leave it at that.

Pichu
06-19-2007, 01:34 PM
Wow this is very helpful! I should definitely learn to relax..and stop thinking I'm so bad. There are tons of people out there who like my voice! AHAHA I'M THE BEST EVER! I'LL NEVER LOSE!! I WIN HAHA!:twisted:

Mauru
10-19-2007, 03:48 AM
Even so your intention was trying to do good I doubt this information would help someone, there are many MANY factors contributing to one person saying "I suck" including trying to conform, or showing their awkwardness by degrading themselves, so they will not be criticizing in return.
I really doubt that some people degrade themselves to get attention or encouragement, as I have said it could de many reasons for it, even 4 reasons combined!!
You are age is 16, so I doubt you know a lot about life. I don't know where you get this information but is better to get information from cited sources or scientific psychology journals. I who has study psychology find many errors in this topic "To Improve Attitude" I find many comments in your topic that could make a person feel even worse.

And no, is not all about attitude but it helps, but by just being blindly pozitive not all is going to be right.

Seeshelle
11-09-2007, 02:01 PM
so in the end, all we need is confidence. your guide is kinda true, i kept saying 'i can pass this test! i can so do it!' like a weirdo and sure enough, i passed and got better than i expected even though the score was still low.
can you do another guide for getting the right emotions when voice acting?

Windy*
11-09-2007, 07:57 PM
Even so your intention was trying to do good I doubt this information would help someone, there are many MANY factors contributing to one person saying "I suck" including trying to conform, or showing their awkwardness by degrading themselves, so they will not be criticizing in return.
I really doubt that some people degrade themselves to get attention or encouragement, as I have said it could de many reasons for it, even 4 reasons combined!!
You are age is 16, so I doubt you know a lot about life. I don't know where you get this information but is better to get information from cited sources or scientific psychology journals. I who has study psychology find many errors in this topic "To Improve Attitude" I find many comments in your topic that could make a person feel even worse.

And no, is not all about attitude but it helps, but by just being blindly pozitive not all is going to be right.

...e_e Scientific psychology journals?

I'm pretty sure this wasn't meant to be anything scientific; it's meant to be a simple, uplifting help guide for improving attitude and, therefore, confidence in oneself.

And yes, people do put themselves down as a cry for help and attention. It happens often enough.

It's not too kind to dismiss her for her age, either - Kitty is very intelligent, and perhaps she wouldn't be qualified to write a technical essay on the subject, once again - that's NOT what it's meant to be. You're the only person who has failed to understand that concept yet. Besides, your grammar and writing appear to be much worse than hers. Where do you get off criticizing because you feel you're much more well-informed and experienced? I'm pretty sure no one else came here looking for a scientific essay about the specifics of brain chemicals and how their activities and interactions affect mood and self-perception.

Instead of trying to analyze the well-intended writings of a young girl who would like to help her fellow AVA's feel better about themselves, why not just take it with a grain of salt if you really disagree that much?

In short: don't take it so seriously, and maybe appreciate the fact that it IS helpful to some of us because there is at least some truth to what Kitty says.

And until this article actually does cause someone harm, like you seem to imply, I'd say leave it alone and let the rest of the board enjoy it, "scientifically" accurate or not. :) Because really, aside from you, who cares?

Kitty
11-10-2007, 03:50 AM
Thank you, Windy. This was a really nice thing to come home to after a terrible day. <3

I'd like to say in my defense, don't ever hold my age to my experience in the world or anything of the sort. I wrote this out of problems I noticed both others around me, and myself, had. So you can say "oh ur not scientifivcal, it not rite" Well, something does not have to be scientifically proven to be true. And most of what I wrote was information that I learned from all the therapists and psycologists that I saw in my previous years, and in present day.

Yeah, maybe I sounded "blindly positive". I just choose to look at the world as living as if I was going to die tomorrow; being as comfortable as I can be with myself, try to look at the world positively. I try to live life to the fullest I can each and every day. Because you know why? I've seen good people get their life taken from them. One of my best friends tried to commit suicide last night, and she's in the hospital four hours away. The way it looks now, she probably won't make it. But you know, I've learned that to stay positive in life is to achieve happiness most of the time.

Hey, but what do I know, I'm just a 16 year old girl right? Wrong. Just because you, Mauru, have "studied" it, doesn't mean you are any better than me. Because I'm a professional pianist, does that mean that I'm better and know morethan the other students who aren't yet at my studio? No.

You have your opinion and I have mine. And I was the one who chose to write this, and if you had an issue with it, you should have spoken to me directly. I would have been more than happy to rewrite the article, incorporating anything that you could have taught me. But instead, you chose to treat me like a child. So please think next time, dear. I may be about to turn just 17, but I've had my fair share of life that most people haven't even dreamed of experiencing.

With that said, I will be rewriting this article with the help of a few mentors, teachers, and professionals I see on a weekly basis. I have changed quite a bit when I wrote this, but I still support my opinion and the right to say it.

And to Ninjaxgirl: I have done the same thing, it really does help. And if you just send me an email, I'll be more than happy to assist you with anything you want help with, or direct you to someone who can. My email is listed on my profile. :)

Seeshelle
11-13-2007, 02:01 AM
KITTY- Really? then i'll go email you right away! thanks so much!:)

Drifterxgs
11-16-2007, 03:59 AM
as a psychology minor, I can say that sometimes a positive attitude can in fact do wonders. And most psychologists and psychiatrists will say that therapy is not entirely scientific but does in fact garner results. Just my piddly little two cents.

DABSpidey
07-03-2008, 09:55 PM
thanks Kitty(can i call you Kat?)
anyways, thanks, for the tips, i feel like i have self-essteem!!!

Kitty
07-04-2008, 04:20 AM
thanks Kitty(can i call you Kat?)
anyways, thanks, for the tips, i feel like i have self-essteem!!!

Hahah..this is really old..and I need to rewrite it. XDD But thank you~

And..if you want, I supposed you can call me that? XD

ibionika
06-26-2009, 03:44 PM
wow this helps a lot im glad i did it right i am a first time produser and i already posted my first add and im glad i did it right any ways these yips are help ful but there is one thing i dosent cover...friends i mean if there good thats great but i mean i feel bad when i tell my friends that thy didnt get the part can u help me with this problem or add to the original thread?